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		<title>Comment on The Last Win in New York by verdun2</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 11:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now I have to admit that&#039;s a unique reason to despise the Giants. Thanks for passing that along.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I have to admit that&#8217;s a unique reason to despise the Giants. Thanks for passing that along.<br />
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		<title>Comment on The Last Win in New York by Glen</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 07:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, my grandfather (the one who grew up on the tough streets of Brooklyn&#039;s Brownsville section, not the one who grew up in Conway, Pennsylvania), would sure disagree with that last line!!! Ha! Nope! 

In 1958, Grandpa switched his energies from rooting for &quot;dem bums to simply rooting for WHATEVER team was playing for the hated Yankees! What&#039;s ironic about this is that after he got married to my grandmother (who was from East Harlem), they moved into an apartment at 104 West 174th Street in The Bronx, a mere half-hour walk to Yankee Stadium! And my father grew up as a YANKEE FAN (naturally, just like any other kid who lived so close to Yankee Stadium!) NO ONE ever hated the Yankees more than my grandfather! NO ONE! So it took real guts for his son to root for the Yankees, which was the one thing that his father hated more than ANY SINGLE THING in the WORLD!

Then the Mets came along, and he rooted for them, and my father moved to Queens after getting married and sort of lost interest in baseball. BUT NOT MY GRANDFATHER!!!! HE DESPISED THOSE YANKEES, MAN!!!

And I would have to guess that he despised anything that had to do with the city of Los Angeles, as well. (Although he never WENT to California, as far as I&#039;m aware of.)

But a funny little footnote about this is that I have an acquaintance who lives north of San Francisco, and SHE hated the Giants for an interesting reason. She grew up loving the San Francisco Seals of the Pacific Coast League, and when the Giants came along, that was the end of her beloved Seals. She HATED the Giants! She&#039;s a Cubs fan living north of San Francisco, HATING the Giants!

Glen]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my grandfather (the one who grew up on the tough streets of Brooklyn&#8217;s Brownsville section, not the one who grew up in Conway, Pennsylvania), would sure disagree with that last line!!! Ha! Nope! </p>
<p>In 1958, Grandpa switched his energies from rooting for &#8220;dem bums to simply rooting for WHATEVER team was playing for the hated Yankees! What&#8217;s ironic about this is that after he got married to my grandmother (who was from East Harlem), they moved into an apartment at 104 West 174th Street in The Bronx, a mere half-hour walk to Yankee Stadium! And my father grew up as a YANKEE FAN (naturally, just like any other kid who lived so close to Yankee Stadium!) NO ONE ever hated the Yankees more than my grandfather! NO ONE! So it took real guts for his son to root for the Yankees, which was the one thing that his father hated more than ANY SINGLE THING in the WORLD!</p>
<p>Then the Mets came along, and he rooted for them, and my father moved to Queens after getting married and sort of lost interest in baseball. BUT NOT MY GRANDFATHER!!!! HE DESPISED THOSE YANKEES, MAN!!!</p>
<p>And I would have to guess that he despised anything that had to do with the city of Los Angeles, as well. (Although he never WENT to California, as far as I&#8217;m aware of.)</p>
<p>But a funny little footnote about this is that I have an acquaintance who lives north of San Francisco, and SHE hated the Giants for an interesting reason. She grew up loving the San Francisco Seals of the Pacific Coast League, and when the Giants came along, that was the end of her beloved Seals. She HATED the Giants! She&#8217;s a Cubs fan living north of San Francisco, HATING the Giants!</p>
<p>Glen</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Last Win in New York by verdun2</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 16:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember when both the Dodgers and Giants moved. Being a Dodgers fan I was stunned, but because I didn&#039;t live in New York, I had no trouble maintaining team loyalty. It was afterall, a loyalty to the players more than the ownership. I&#039;ve read countless works on how awful it was for Brooklyn, but you never hear anyone say how marvelous it was for Los Angeles. It&#039;s as important to remember LA&#039;s joy as much as it is to remember Brooklyn&#039;s sorrow.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when both the Dodgers and Giants moved. Being a Dodgers fan I was stunned, but because I didn&#8217;t live in New York, I had no trouble maintaining team loyalty. It was afterall, a loyalty to the players more than the ownership. I&#8217;ve read countless works on how awful it was for Brooklyn, but you never hear anyone say how marvelous it was for Los Angeles. It&#8217;s as important to remember LA&#8217;s joy as much as it is to remember Brooklyn&#8217;s sorrow.<br />
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		<title>Comment on The Last Win in New York by William Miller</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 16:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glen makes a great point about attendance during the so-called Golden Age not always being that hot, especially once you got outside of two or three big cities.  If you look at the actual attendance figures of the biggest and most famous games of that era, many of them were far from sellouts.  
Certainly, the move seems to have worked out well for both the Giants and the Dodgers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen makes a great point about attendance during the so-called Golden Age not always being that hot, especially once you got outside of two or three big cities.  If you look at the actual attendance figures of the biggest and most famous games of that era, many of them were far from sellouts.<br />
Certainly, the move seems to have worked out well for both the Giants and the Dodgers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Last Win in New York by verdun2</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 13:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My wife&#039;s grandfather was a lifelong Browns fan until they moved to Baltimore. Then he joined the legion of the sane and rooted for the Cardinals (an action my grandfather would have applauded). Thanks for the tip on the book, Glen.
v]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife&#8217;s grandfather was a lifelong Browns fan until they moved to Baltimore. Then he joined the legion of the sane and rooted for the Cardinals (an action my grandfather would have applauded). Thanks for the tip on the book, Glen.<br />
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		<title>Comment on The Last Win in New York by verdun2</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 13:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glad your wife got to finally see it. Welcome back.
v]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad your wife got to finally see it. Welcome back.<br />
v</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Last Win in New York by sportsphd</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 12:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My father-in-law saw the catch in person. He would have been 16, give or take a week or two. He was from Queens, but he was a lifelong Yankees fan.  I figure it was because he was born in &#039;38, at the beginning of a dark period for the Giants.  He always said the catch was the most amazing thing he had ever seen in person.

My wife took me to Cooperstown the year after he passed, and they at the time had a display on the 1954 World Series, including video of Mays&#039; catch.  It was the first time she had ever seen video of the the catch that her dad always talked about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father-in-law saw the catch in person. He would have been 16, give or take a week or two. He was from Queens, but he was a lifelong Yankees fan.  I figure it was because he was born in &#8217;38, at the beginning of a dark period for the Giants.  He always said the catch was the most amazing thing he had ever seen in person.</p>
<p>My wife took me to Cooperstown the year after he passed, and they at the time had a display on the 1954 World Series, including video of Mays&#8217; catch.  It was the first time she had ever seen video of the the catch that her dad always talked about.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Last Win in New York by Glen</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 12:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice post, V.

What a lot of people fail to realize is that the &quot;golden era&quot; of baseball, at least as far as attendance was concerned, was NOT the 1950s.

Attendance was pretty low in the 50s. A lot of this had to do with demographic changes; the flight from the cities of the Post-War era, people being fearful of going to the ballparks that were in burgeoning ghettos. More people than ever lived in the suburbs and owned their own cars, and there was poor parking for venues such as Ebbetts Field and the Polo Grounds. How the Yankees managed to stay in the South Bronx in the 50s is a mystery that I don&#039;t understand, but they managed to stay. (I seem to recall that they came PRETTY darn close to moving the Yankees to The Meadowlands sports complex in New Jersey in the early 70s).

An excellent and pragmatic book that I recommend on this kind of thing is &quot;The Dodgers Move West&quot; by Neil Sullivan. It&#039;s an unsentimental and objective view on the Dodgers shift to California (along with the Giants, of course ), and the story behind other franchise moves of the 50s (the Braves moving from Boston to Milwaukee, the St. Louis Browns moving to Baltimore and become the Orioles). It&#039;s a fascinating book.

Glen]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, V.</p>
<p>What a lot of people fail to realize is that the &#8220;golden era&#8221; of baseball, at least as far as attendance was concerned, was NOT the 1950s.</p>
<p>Attendance was pretty low in the 50s. A lot of this had to do with demographic changes; the flight from the cities of the Post-War era, people being fearful of going to the ballparks that were in burgeoning ghettos. More people than ever lived in the suburbs and owned their own cars, and there was poor parking for venues such as Ebbetts Field and the Polo Grounds. How the Yankees managed to stay in the South Bronx in the 50s is a mystery that I don&#8217;t understand, but they managed to stay. (I seem to recall that they came PRETTY darn close to moving the Yankees to The Meadowlands sports complex in New Jersey in the early 70s).</p>
<p>An excellent and pragmatic book that I recommend on this kind of thing is &#8220;The Dodgers Move West&#8221; by Neil Sullivan. It&#8217;s an unsentimental and objective view on the Dodgers shift to California (along with the Giants, of course ), and the story behind other franchise moves of the 50s (the Braves moving from Boston to Milwaukee, the St. Louis Browns moving to Baltimore and become the Orioles). It&#8217;s a fascinating book.</p>
<p>Glen</p>
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		<title>Comment on Taking One for the Team by verdun2</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 20:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always wondered how much of that kind of thing went on when big league managers and umps argued. Thanks for reading.
v]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always wondered how much of that kind of thing went on when big league managers and umps argued. Thanks for reading.<br />
v</p>
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		<title>Comment on Taking One for the Team by W.k. kortas</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 19:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice piece, V.   I used to umpire Babe Ruth league games where one of my buddies was coaching.  He used to run out on the field so we could &quot;argue&quot; about where we were going after the game and who was buying the first round.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice piece, V.   I used to umpire Babe Ruth league games where one of my buddies was coaching.  He used to run out on the field so we could &#8220;argue&#8221; about where we were going after the game and who was buying the first round.</p>
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